Hunting as an elitist tradition

In most of Europe, hunting has an elitist tradition. (No offense to European hunters, but the fact remains that the non-affluent population has virtually no chance of hunting as a frequent pastime, right?) Also in Europe, firearms ownership is generally a privilege extended by the State to the individual at the State’s discretion. I have also noted anecdotally that animal rights activists have enjoyed more success against hunting in Europe than in America.

 

I believe there is a common thread here, and I’ll even go out on a limb and suggest that there is _causality_ here. First, hunting is limited to a select group of people, the upper classes. Next, draconian gun control comes along to limit the access of the lower and middle class to firearms, to some extent under the guise of: “The only legitimate use of firearms is hunting and God knows the unwashed masses can’t do that anyway.” (Is this starting to sound familiar to anyone?)

 

Finally, with the politically insignificant hunter constituency hoisted by its own petard, the AR people come along and start on the death blows. Viola, hunting as a sport is endangered in Europe. Our European friend, Mr. Spencer, has posted to this effect in this forum before, if I’m not mistaken. America’s hunting tradition is egalitarian. The gun and the hunting license are available to all, under the management of the State but seldom at its discretion.

Demerits of Lease Hunting

There are 3 million or so deer in Texas; they are, on the average, much smaller than East Coast deer because the range is seriously overgrazed and the forage can’t support maximum growth size. I have had the experience of showing pictures of Eastern whitetails to Texas hunters and having them refuse to believe that they were, in fact, whitetails, because “…whitetail deer don’t get that big. Them’s Mule deer!.” I’ve seen an 11-point buck shot near College Station that couldn’t have weighed more than 110 pounds; by contrast, the AVERAGE Virginia DOE is about 130 pounds, and buck considerably larger.

 

An 11-pointer here would go at least 180, perhaps more, on the hoof. This is directly the result of the mismanagement of game and deer herds that’s traceable to treating public property as if it were private property to be exploited. Lease hunting for native species harms game populations, and it’s true whether you believe it or not. By your argument, people in Texas ought to be charged fees for birdwatching because the landowner owns the birds.

 

The game is not the landowner’s to sell. Selling something you don’t own is theft, whether it’s legal or not. Something can be legal and still be corrupt. I agree that lease hunting has a valid and beneficial place in the overall scheme of wildlife management. However, let me present a _political_ argument for making quality public hunting land, with game managed as carefully as on leased land, increasingly available for all hunters in all states.

Features of Lease Hunting

In Texas, the schnauzer-size deer that pass as “trophies” are directly the result of not permitting the Game Dept. to do the job of management correctly for many years; and this is the result of lease hunting. There are lot of deer in Texas, and hardly any of them are worth shooting. Landowners who sell deer to hunters aren’t interested in herd quality; all they care about is numbers. Abolish lease hunting, for the betterment of all hunting.

 

I stand by what I said, and as for “facts” they are based on five years’ residence in Texas and first-hand experience with lease hunting. Your arguments against my stand are based on the blind attitude that the game belongs to the landowner individually, not to all hunters collectively. This is so firmly ingrained into the Texas consciousness that nothing seems to eradicate it, but it’s completely untrue. You speak of “adding value” to the game, and of the landowner “losing income” which is exactly what I am talking about:

 

The concept that the landowner owns the game and is entitled to a) its value, and b) its use for his personal benefit. As for not buying the cow when the milk is free, there’s no such thing as a free deer; EVRYONE who buys a hunting license is entitled to a try at one, landowners included; but NOBODY, especially landowners has any more right than any other license holder to those deer. I don’t dispute the right of the landowner to control access to his property. That’s a given, and I absolutely would defend the concept to the death; the catch is that the deer and other native species AREN’T HIS PROPERTY, and by permitting him to charge people to hunt them, he’s stealing the value of those deer from them as really owns it, i.e., hunters collectively.

 

WRT the numbers of deer in Texas, yes, it’s at an all time high; so are deer here in Virginia. The problem is that this has, as you say, come about as a result of years of not shooting does. Do you know any landowners who tell lease hunters “Don’t shoot MY does” even if the game laws say they can? I bet you do; I sure did. The landowner thinks in terms of numbers of deer at so many dollars per head, just like cattle. The game departments (who are properly placed in charge of deer herds) are concerned with management for quality of the herd, maximum health, and improvement of the stock in general.

Lease Hunting

One of the most reprehensible and repressive things about hunting in Texas is the concept of “lease hunting,” which fosters the idea that the landowner owns the game. Game is the property of the state, and it belongs to those who pay for it, i.e., the people who buy hunting licenses. It’s a landowner’s prerogative to allow whom he likes to hunt on his property, but to permit him to charge a fee for someone to shoot native game species is nothing short of legalized theft from taxpayers and hunters.

 

It should be illegal. In most places in the East, where there is public hunting land, the concept of hunting leases is completely unheard of, and landowners do not charge hunters anything at all. The peculiar situation of Texas in having virtually no public land at all has led to a system that is corrupt, exploitative, and abusive of the rights of the majority to have access to what they pay for in taxes and license fees. It should be abolished and prevented from occurring anywhere else. These comments don’t apply to exotic species, which (like beef cattle) are raised for profit.

 

The argument that the landowner is “charging rent for the use of his property” is specious; if the game weren’t there, no one would be interested in using the property. Furthermore, this system leads to interference with proper game management. It was well into the mid-1980′s (about 1985-86, I think) before the Game Department in Texas had the authority to regulate hunting in all counties; prior to that time “statutory counties” were subject to regulation by the Board of Supervisors, most of whom were landowners with a financial stake in the selling of public property, i.e., game. This led to mismanagement on a grand scale, and the deterioration of game populations.

High power hunting rifle bullets

I believe that more deer are killed under 100 yards than over 100 yards in most parts of the country. This falls right into the effective range of most 12 gauge slugs and .50 caliber muzzleloaders. It’s a safety factor. Many hunting areas have too many people or buildings close by. High power rifle bullets travel too far and constitute a hazard. Shotgun slugs, muzzleloader bullets and arrows can all make a VERY clean kill if the shooter has the skill that he is expected to have before going hunting.

 

As a lifelong Virginian, the division between rifle couties and shotgun only counties has been a given since I started hunting. To the poster who alluded to the shotgun only county regulation as “alarmist” — this couldn’t be further from the truth. It has to do with topography and foliage density. In parts of Eastern VA the land is very flat, coastal plain and in the tidal marshes of the dismal swamp area, you wouln’t ever need a rifle as much as you’re in shotgun range.

 

There is also a great deal of smaller scale agriculture and more densely populated counties toward the East — it’s still permissible to hunt in those counties and the rifle prohibition makes it a safer and sounder option for hunters, farmers and everyone. There is also the Eastern tradition of drive hunting deer with dogs which seems to be more of a shotgun oriented pursuit. While it is an inconvenience and I don’t agree that as clean a kill can be made with a scattergun, it is far preferrable than a stray bullet

Hunting Opportunity in Tidewater Area

Memberships are available in a hunt club S.E. of Tappahannock in the tidewater country. Club is has a state D-Map program, and a very good relationship with the game and fish dept. Generous doe season, nice bucks too. Hunter success rate last year was 75%. Hunt on 3200 acres, whitetail, turkey, fox and small game. Land has thick pine stands, hardwood stands low hills and valleys with a few wetland areas.

 

Good roads, very nice clubhouse with full cooking facilities, sleeping dorm and full-shower bathroom. Shotguns, muzzle loaders and bow hunting allowed for big game. Can use .22s for small game. No centerfire rifles allowed in county, except for groundhogs in spring/summer. Weekend deer hunts feature drives with dogs. Meat is shared and no one who wants meat goes home empty-handed. Still hunting during weekdays and in the “still hunt” zone on weekends.

 

Friendly members, excellent safety record. Membership fee is $500. No initiation fee. Ten mandatory work hours per year and one day of dog care per year (can be waived for individuals who wish to pay additional fee). Many areas of the country are too populated to allow a longer traveling centerfire rifle cartridge to be safely used. The southern part of Wisconsin is like that as well, shotgun/muzzleloader only, but the hunting can be spectacular. If you know and understand the limitations of a shotgun slug or muzzleloader projectile, there’s no reason in the world why you cannot make a clean kill on a deer with either weapon.

Suitable hunting knives

If this knife is to be for deer and down, I have used a wonderful knife. It is the Schrade/Uncle Henry/Old Timer SHARPFINGER series. It will do all the gutting and skinning you need, and will feel like an extension finger, with a slight cursive blade to give you that necessary small incision capability. It is a full-tanged blade, not a handle jammed onto a file-handle type piece of steel. I love the one I’ve carried, and have given a few of the schrimshaw ones as presents.

 

The total, as I see them in my area now, run about thirty bucks max. Western makes several models of knives which are about as perfect for what you want as a knife can be, and they are cheap! They are made from 440 stainless, are lightweight and have “Kraton” handles. Kraton is like a tough, sticky rubber. Ever notice how a knife will suck the heat out of your fingers if you clean a lot of fish or butcher game for a long time in the cold?

 

The Kraton is a great insulator so it minimizes this. It also is far less likely to slip in your hand when it is wet than any other knife I’ve seen. Remington had Western put their name on some of these models, including the excellent “Remington Bird and Trout” knife. I started using Westerns a few years ago. They hold their edges as well as any knife I’ve seen. I use the Lansky sharpening tool and get mine sharp enough to easily shave with before I leave the house.

 

I carry two when I’m big game hunting — one with a rounded “skinning” blade, which is all I use it for, so it’ll stay sharp, and another with a “drop point” blade which I use for everything else (we bone out our deer for packing down the mountain, the only bones left in being the femurs and, sometimes, the ribs). Our limit is four deer, and I never have to re-sharpen before the last deer is done. I mail-ordered mine from Smokey Mountain Knife Works.

 

A couple were only $13.99. So, glad you asked! I think this is the best deal on outdoor equipment I’ve seen in a long time. Western also makes the best fillet knives I’ve ever seen, again out of SS with Kraton handles. They were only $13 or so, too. All the knives I’ve described come with a nice leaSpeaking as a custom knive maker, knives are like guns, each is designed for a specific purpose but many will serve for many pruposes. In your search for a hunting knife you should stick to the quality names like Schrade, Old Timer, Buck, Kershaw, etc. Then just find a model that fits your hand and has the proper blade for your purpose that is in your price range. Heck, Buck 110 folder can handle most gutting and skinning you will come across in North America. I would recommend though that you look for a fixed blade hunter with a 3 1/2 to 5 inch blade as it will be more useful as a hunting tool and around the camp. there case except the fillet knives which come with plastic.

How to Educate People about Hunting?

I have listened to the debates on fighting anti-hunters and would like to interject some of my own experience. This might get a bit long but bear with me. I have hunted since I was about 10 years old with my dad. I grew up with it and all of the men in my family hunt as well. It was just part of Thanksgiving for everyone to go out deer hunting while the dinner was being prepared. The opening day of deer season in Alabama used to be on Friday and when that day rolled around most of the boys in my high school were out.

 

The point is I grew up around it and it didn’t seem strange. I lived in rural Alabama until last October when a better job brought me to a small community just north of Houston, TX. Here most of the people grew up in an urban setting and haven’t been exposed to hunting. I am the only person in the office that hunts at all. What I have come to realize in talking with non-hunting co-workers and neighbors is that most people are not opposed to hunting, they are just ignorant of the facts about hunting and the role it plays in conservation and game management.

 

They did not grow up around hunters and it does seem strange. Being ignorant about hunting they are easily swayed by emotional arguments against hunting. The best strategy (In my opinion) is not to argue with the anti hunters. They are such hardcore believers in their cause that they can’t be swayed, and the harder we fight the harder their resolve is to eliminate hunting. Please don’t take this to mean that I don’t support boycotts of companies who to contribute to anti-hunting causes Boycotts have a place as well. Instead pick friends and neighbors who haven’t been hunting and take them with you.

 

Educate them by experience. The past two weekends I have taken a co-worker quail hunting and a boy from church on his first goose hunt. The co-worker is not a hunter but he does love dogs so I took him on a quail hunt with my Brittanies. He left the field enthusiastic about the way the dogs worked the birds and the training that goes into making a good bird dog. I used opportunities in the field to show him how hunting is a part of proper game management and how hunters support outdoor activities through license fees and taxes on guns and ammo.

 

The boy from church is very enthusiastic about hunting and wants to go, however his parents do not hunt. They are not opposed to their son’s hunting they just don’t know how to teach him. They even let him play hooky from church to go with me. I can say that he thoroughly enjoyed the morning goose hunt because, he helped set up and takedown a rag spread, endured a 30 degree morning with a 4am wake up call, used his own allowance to buy a set of boots, and stood up and cheered when I killed the first specklebelly of the morning.

 

This summer we will go to a shooting range so that he can work on basic gun safety and marksmanship. He is also planning on attending a hunter safety workshop so that next year he can carry his own gun afield. My point in bringing all this up is that the most effective way to fight the anti hunting measures and game management by ballot is to educate people about hunting rather than trying to fight the anti-hunters. And the way to educate people is through logical discussions about hunting combined with some trips afield. Take a neighbor or co-worker hunting with you, if your children have friends who do not hunt discuss it with their parents and take them with you if possible.

How to Learn the Basics of Hunting?

Videos and books can help teach the basics, but there’s nothing like actually doing it. The most important thing is to get them gutted so they cool down quickly. Don’t be afraid to give it a try – if you understand what’s needed and the basic procedures, its really hard to do anything “wrong” and it would be much worse to delay.

 

Practice “hunting” deer whenever you can. Whenever I walk in the woods I am “hunting”, even if I don’t have a rifle. Take a camera if you want, but the point is to find deer and get within shooting range, whatever that is for you and your gun. You may want to hunt with someone more experienced your first time out, preferably someone who has experienced success over the years and someone you trust with a loaded gun in their hands.

 

(Over the years I have hunted with a number of friends that I refuse to go with again due to unsafe gun handling, excessive drinking, etc. It’s amazing how some people change in hunting camp.) Whatever, I highly recommend hunting with a companion. Broken bones and snake bites just don’t seem to happen in convenient places or at convenient times. Plus when you get your deer they can help haul it out.

Different Methods for Learning Hunting

If you are going to learn from videos, I suggest you try to watch more than one on any subject. There is more than one way to skin a cat, and you want to find the way you like. Basic answer is that you have to hang out where the hunters are. All states will have some kind of hunting organization. Most will have a lot of them. For example, Minnesota has many hunting groups such as the MN Deers Hunters, The Ruffed Grouse Society, Ducks Unlimited, and on and on.

 

You local paper may post meeting of such groups, or you can contact your department of natural resources. Also, check out the shows that come to your town. Here in MN there are several shows devoted to the outdoors. After the Lawn and Garden show and before the Auto show, we have a pretty good sports show. You can talk to outfitters and usually the local and state organizations will be there too. As it seems that no one where you work nor none of your family hunt, join an organization, get to know the members, make good friends, and join them in a hunt.

 

I certainly do not recomend going out on your own for the first time. It is not really that good of an idea for the experienced hunter either. Trying not to offend the soft hearted and misguided, I would let those that I know that I would like to start deer hunting. I can not believe that there could be no closet deer hunters where you work, your church (if you go), etc. As you mention that you have been target shooting and bird hunting, there has to be some deer hunters in that group.Dressing a deer isn’t much different than dressing a rabbit. Its just a lot bigger and takea a lot longer.