How does a person learn deer hunting?

I live in Orange County California. I am 39 years old and have been target shooting and bird hunting all my life. I would like to know how a person would go about learning how to hunt mule deer. I have read a book on the subject and read part of the incredibly complex procedures you need to go through to get a tag. However, it really seems like the type of thing that you need to do with a knowledgeable person or group that can show you the ropes.

 

I have never dressed a large animal and would not want to try it without some help at first. Are there hunting clubs, groups, or organizations I could join that would put me in touch with others to get involved with deer hunting? I’m sure there are hunting clubs, etc. around, but I would think that if you just ask around your friends, relatives, co-workers — you will find a fellow hunter. Most hunter I know are pretty willing to help out a new hunter and even include them in the group.

 

I think it is great that you have become interested in hunting Mule Deer. I have been hunting all my life ( I am 36) and truly enjoy hunting mule deer. I have a group of friends that hunt to gether every year for the desert mule deer in the Trans Pecos region out side of El Paso, Texas. It seems to be much more chalenging than whitetail hunting because it is a spot and stalk type hunt, plus the fact that you must be in pretty good shape in order to make your way around the mountains not to mention if you do take one of these grey ghosts from the top.

 

The fun is over and the real work begins. I guess if you can not find any friend with the same interest it would be adviseable to use a hunting guide for the first go around for a learning session. The very best thing you can do is find a mentor. First step is to join a club, and show up for all the meetings. It is very likely you will find someone who has gotten to the level in the sport where they want to help someone start. They will probably give you tons of assistance. They may even take you hunting. Probably not their hot spots but some public land or something like that.

 

Let them know you want some experience in tracking and field dressing a deer and you may get a call some day next season to help find a downed deer and learn more then you really wanted to about the process. Also if you are not week of stomach, you may as about helping to process a deer. There are some videos on field dressing and processing a deer. They are not as good as the hands on stuff, but much better than nothing. Many pro shops rent videos. Many clubs own and borrow out videos.

Waterfowl Equipment

Out here in Saskatchewan we do a combination of field hunting and water hunting. After scouting the day before we like to drop field decoys consisting mostly of shells and full bodied Canada goose decoys as well as full bodied mallard enticer decoys (these seem to work extremely well in the late season when the geese have been shot at a few times, downside is they are pretty expensive). When the snow geese first come down we put about 200-400 Texas rags out.

 

We normally only decoy the young snow goose a few adults will take the bait but it’s a bonus if you can shoot a mature snow goose. I mainly use one shotgun all season, it’s a Benelli Super Black Eagle and have a 3″ Browning BPS as my backup (mainly because my friends don’t have a 2nd shotgun so we keep that one in the truck so no one’s day has to end early). Just in the process of putting a sling on it (I’m a big fan of having a sling on a shotgun when I’m out waterfowling).

 

I have found Kent Fasteel to pattern extremely well with my factory chokes as well as the Kent Impact (Tungsten) line to be extremely effective on pass shooting large geese (downside is it’s expensive).I prefer to hunt waterfowl from water. Slough, swamps and rivers or a combination of that are my choice of hunting location. I find that field shooting although a lot more comfortable, to be a one shot affair. The birds come and you shoot and then the birds either leave or move locations. It’s over then. With swamp, sloughs and rivers there is hunting and shooting all day long usually.

 

There are bonuses as well and that is there are other things happening. Let’s be honest field shooting is a lot of work for a short amount of time the work happening usually in the middle of the night. With SSR shooting you get to see the sun come up and birds flying like mad then you get the lull in the action where the rest of the land wakes up, the other creatures going about their business eagles and hawks soaring by. I can’t tell you the number of wonderful days I’ve spent in a boggy river with my hunting partner sipping coffee and enjoying life. Some of my best hunting memories are of that exact thing.

 

We’ve occasionally taken a fishing rod and some frozen minnows and caught a pike or two as well. I prefer a stout canoe over a boat only because the reeds and rushes make pulling a boat into them tough. I have a Coleman Scanoe and it’s been excellent. Painted in a camo motif mind you. For years we used just a dozen decoys as it was a handy number but like all hunting accessories that has grown to 3 dozen and a 1/2 dozen floating geese. Actually I don’t really thing we get anymore ducks with the bigger spread but we do get more geese opportunities.

Lower Mainland Duck Hunting

I’m a resident of this area (Delta) and have hunted here for birds for almost 20 years. I have taken my share of ducks and geese but have since given it up. In Ladner, some of the best shooting is in the fields for which you will need to obtain permission from the farmers. I don’t know if that is difficult these days or not but you will have to try. Lots of greenhouses going up which is limiting areas to go.

 

There is also a private shooting club, for the life of me I can’t recall the name but they have posted their signs on many of the fields on the mainland, may want to look them up. Westham Isl is permit hunting only. The best shooting is rainy and windy days in a spud field or other that provides feed with lots of water. You can usually expect to see birds in the irrigation ditches that normally border these fields, jump shots are lots of fun, the mallards usually hold a bit longer than the rest.

 

My experience was best from about the last 1-2hrs of shooting time for birds coming in to feed. Failing that, Brunswick Beach is pretty good or has been in the past. Follow River Road past Westham Island, (Reifel Bird Sanctuary), until you reach the end of the road. Park and suit up (you need waders). Its ok to carry your gun unloaded along the dyke. You get lots of looks from non hunters but who cares, this was a hunting/fishing community long before the non hunters.

 

I can remember in early 80′s, opening day here was like a firing line. There were vehicles lined up for over 1km down the road, You couldn’t walk into the marsh very far because hunters were everywhere, people used to camp out over night to get a good spot and every bird that went by was shot at. Not anymore, you are lucky to run into another hunter there. This place has provided me many days of excellent shooting, a dog is a must to ensure you recover your birds. Careful of the ditches you cross as they are usually a lot deeper than they appear (trust me). If you walk out to the middle point on the dyke and head out from there you should be able to find a trail that leads out. You really want to go to the middle of the point in front of the large canal (lower tide) waters edge on high tide. Last time I was out there was a couple of permanent blinds still standing that had been there for many years.

Hunting Safari

We’ll pick you up in Cape Town and bring you to our beautiful holiday farm on the border of Namaqualand and the Cederberg mountains. For 3 days we’ll teach you to shoot with various hunting rifles. We’ll prepare ammunition to your specific needs for the hunt. Then we’ll introduce you to the finer details of hunting the African games. During these 3 days of training, we’ll vine and dine you to the wonderful cuisine of the “Boers” of the west coast of Africa. Depending on your specific needs, we’ll then proceed into to African veldt, whether that be the open savanna to hunt “plains game” like springbok, gemsbok, blesbok of even ostrich.

 

Or we’ll penetrate the “bushveldt” to hunt to king of antelope – the kudu. We might even try for eland, impala, wilde beest or even zebra – depending on you needs. These last days of the safari, we’ll spend true African style in a remote bush camp with very little amenities; away from the hustle and bustle of modern life and the constant threat of “civilisation”. Just picture it; a love setting with tents and a beautiful camp fire, the magnificent African veldt around you, the “rushing” silence of grass and birds, the opportunity to hunt in the true African style away from the commercialism of big time outfitters, goods friends and truly extra-ordinary cuisine that make even the French jealous.

 

We’ll supply everything for this remarkable Hunting Safari including, transport, tents, rifles, trackers, skinners and professional assistance of the very best. Then we’ll take you to the nearest airport for your flight home. This all at a very ridiculous price of $200 per hunter per day excluding the animals hunted. But do not worry, the price of the animals will be ridiculously low seeing we stay clear from the “commercialism of the big time outfitters. We’ll negotiate a price for you that is basically what we pay if we hunt ourselves – no rip-off’s of unsuspected foreigners! A maximum of 4 hunters per Safari is allowed to keep it very personal and safe. These Safaris runs from April through to September. So book now and come prepared for the experience of a life-time.

How to Balance Between Predator and Prey?

I suppose one can be rather smug when the balance between predator and prey are in balance and a sense of “fair play” pervades the sport. But our situation was different. We were faced with a skilled predator with no natural enemies (wolf or cougar) that was introduced some time ago to augment the fox hunting. Well, they got more than they bargained for. The coyote became a serious threat to endangered species, reduced most populations of ground-dwelling or ground-nesting creatures and routinely preyed on cats, small dogs, calves, foals, and anything else it could overpower singly or in a pack.

 

The population greatly increased in spite of intense conventional hunting practice (like that practiced in Canada). It was when it began to spread a virulent form of canine rabies and the public health became threatened that the serious eradication methods (by any means necessary),were encouraged. Bounties were paid and nobody cared how you got those tails. By this time the coyote was being regarded by health authorities, farmers, and sportsmen alike as a 15 kg rat with a lot of smarts. Then the coyote began a decline that was attributed to canine parvovirus that is believed by many to have been spread by government game agents.

 

A lot of unvaccinated dogs perished in the process, but it worked, and the public never was aware of what was going on. During this ordeal “trial balloon” attempts to alert the suburb and urban public were met with outcry from misguided dog lovers (most dog owners and ignorant outdoorsman) that see the coyote as an “original” dog rather than vermin. So now were all pumped up with no coyotes to shoot hence the post to this newsgroup. BTW, a GPS is essential in night aerial hunting to be able to retrieve the carcass during the following day.

How to control hunting activities?

80% of the province of Quebec, now belongs to the native nations. They are now organizing to control all hunting on this land. This right (not a favour or a permission) has been given by the Federal government. C-68 will not go away. It’s now a law. Too late to change or modify it. So far it’s behind schedule and has cost a fortune. It has even cost too much to turn back now. Don’t you see what is happening here, the division between hunters and non-hunters is widening.

 

Since the non-hunters are much more united, the hunters will lose. The only new Federal Parks that have been implemented, do not allow any hunting. I think the reason for the ban on hunting on Sunday was mostly for religious reasons. The church had a lot of influence. Working on Sunday was frowned on and to make sure that people attended church on the only day that work was not allowed was to ban hunting. Rural folk usually have livestock which meant taking care of the animals on Sunday morning then going to church. In feudal times up till 150 years ago, hunting was for the privileged.

 

Landowners didn’t want their tenants to hunt game belonging to them. Here in Quebec, most of the population were tenant farmers or working in towns. The ruling class did not want the working class to trap furs which was strictly controlled. A “courreur des bois” (hunter-trapper) could make in 3 or 4 months what the common labourer could make in 1 year. Plus the “courreur des bois” who associated with the natives did not go to church very often.

Hunting coyotes in Canada

Some friends of mine in south Georgia (USA) are looking for any area in Canada densely populated with coyotes. Until a few years ago they often hunted packs as large as 50 in number using a combination of dogs and horseback with an ultralight aircraft as a spotter. But in recent years the coyote population has dwindled due not to overhunting but to the pervasive spread of canine parvovirus. So, on their behalf, I would like to know if : 1–are coyotes considered vermin in Canada with no limits ?, 2–do local governments, farmers, etc pay bounties such as US$50 per tail ?, 3– are there any restrictions on night hunting (infra-red) with a two-seat ultralight (pilot in rear, shooter in front) using selective-fire 5.56mm (legally registered with BATF, of course) ?

 

In my opinion hunting anything from an aircraft and shooting at it with a selective fire rifle is NOT fair chase nor is it sporting. It most certainly is NOT humane as there is no way to ensure an accurate shot and a quick kill. I don’t think I even consider this as hunting. And I have never seen a pack of fifty coyotes in my life. The largest pack I have seen is ten to twelve. Usually coyotes are found in pairs or as singles. Packs can be five to ten animals.

 

The best hunting is from November through to the end of February when the weather is minus thirty or colder. Coyote hunting in Kanada can be compared to deer hunting in the US, the main differences being: no calibre and no maximum limits. The hunting is closed for about one or two months a year too, at least here in Quebec. By the way, no select fire here, the all mighty government prohibits it. No infra red for hunting either, and certainly no shooting from any kind vehicle. It really is (or was ) war and it was pest eradication rather than control.

Which season is Suitable for Hunting?

Ducks and geese still stop over in the spring when the only unfrozen water is the Saguenay but the only birds who stick around are the non-reproductive Canada geese like those in the large cities like Toronto. They are cute to look at but actually worthless and even a nuisance because they agressively chase away any nesting ducks. There is a hunter the Quebec Provincial Court in Roberval right now being charged for unlawful discharge of a firearm.

 

He didn’t like the idea of hikers in his hunting territory so he shot in their direction. I worked for 10 years as a conservation officer and 10 years as a dispatcher for the provincial police and every day during hunting season we get calls from people who got threatened by hunters. The situation is getting worse. I got calls every day because someone heard gunshots and was afraid of a stray bullet. If it was so safe, why are you not allowed to shoot pigeons with a 28 gauge shotgun loaded with no 9 shot in downtown Montreal. No one would get killed.

 

You are a landowner and yet you accepted that hunting from the road be banned in your municipality even though it is permitted by federal law. Sure it does not bother you. What will they do next to chip away at your liberty? So you are a landowner now. This means you are now the enemy to the everyday hunter who can no longer hunt on the territory you bought. If the municipality wanted to ban hunting inside their boundary they can do it. Actually they ban “discharging a firearm”. This means, you cannot even target practice on your property.

Interesting Aspects of Sunday Hunting

Municipalities in Quebec go far into habitat where the hunting is good. Any municipality in Quebec that wants to ban hunting on their territory now have the power to do so. Hunters are slowly losing ground yet are doing nothing to counter any of the laws that are slowly suffocating them. As it is now, some woman’s group in downtown Montreal had enough clout to force the federal government to enact more gun laws.

 

2. Why do the ducks on the Quebec side of the border migrate to the south earlier than those on the Ontario side of the border? Hunting pressure surely. A day when the birds are not bothered seems to make a big difference. Ducks Unlimited spent a quarter of a million dollars on a project about 2 miles from my home. On the Saguenay River at St-Fulgence. It was a place where you could hunt ducks and geese every year.

 

The hunting was good….very good. Snow geese, Canada geese, ducks, etc. Hundreds of ducks nested there every year. Then one day about 25 years ago, they built a road through it. A couple of hunters protested about the fact that a large portion of the territory would not be used for reproduction. Farmers now had access to this land so they filled in a good part. Birdwatchers came. Decided that it should become a sanctuary and hunting was banned on most of it.

 

The bird watchers built a wooden sidewalk that completely surrounds the best part. The ducks must now pass under the sidewalk to get to their nests. They quit doing that after the first year. The area now gets visitors every day. Before, it was frequented by hunters only during the hunting season. There is a rather large mountain next to this nice territory. About 20 years ago, hang gliding came in style. Now, there are hang gliders flying over what nesting ground there is. This is very scary stuff for nesting ducks.

 

Now, Ducks Unlimited spent 250,000 dollars to buy and then flood part of it. They estimated that there would be an average of 20 nesting pairs of ducks. I rarely see ducks there anymore. The flooded territory is just at the foot of the large rock where the hang gliders take off. Now, what little hunting that was left out in the open water on the Saguenay, is no longer allowed because the municipality of about 500 people (St-Fulgence) has banned the use of firearms within it’s boundary which extends for many miles all around.

Sunday Hunting

I know you can’t hunt on Sundays in NF, NS, PEI & NB. On the other hand, while I don’t know exactly which states, there are very few states which still maintain a Sunday hunting ban. Where else in Canada does this antiquated and ridiculous law apply?? If it doesn’t, when was the Sunday hunting ban lifted?? I live in NF and every time the subject comes up, politicians go deaf. There are the usual vocal non-hunters who say if we hunt on Sundays, they will not be able to go into the woods for fear of their safety….tell that to all the berry pickers I see out on Saturdays.

 

As for waterfowlers, fishing is mostly over and the only folks in canoes (or taking an unexpected swim) are other waterfowlers. Never heard of a non-hunter type getting injured by so called “trigger happy” hunters. Oddly enough, most who get shot by mistake are likely other members of a hunting party and that’s very unfortunate and regretful. I live in Quebec. Hunting is allowed on Sunday. I tried to see if I ban hunting on Sunday but met a lot of opposition.

 

There are many reasons why I like “no hunting on Sunday” but first, the no hunting on Sunday started a long time ago when Canada was settled. Land was owned by the “seigneurs” or large land owners who gave land to the settlers on the condition that a certain amount of the crop be given to the landowner. Working on Sunday was against the laws of the Church yet the landowners didn’t want their wild game to be shot or trapped (very lucrative business that was under control of the rich) and the Church wanted good attendance on Sunday so they got this law passed. This “rich and powerful over the poor” is still a big thing in Quebec.

 

It says so on the licence plates “Je me souviens” (I remember). This refers to the quickly quenched 1837 uprising in Quebec against the establishment. Now why “not hunting” on Sunday is good. 1. Non-hunting groups, who are more numerous and have a lot of political clout, (schools, birdwatchers, hikers, campers, bikers, atv’ers, canoeists, fishermen) use the fact that they cannot go into the woods during hunting season for fear of getting shot, threatened or harassed. It is now unlawful to hunt within the city limits of many municipalities in Quebec. No matter what day it is.