Which Choke Tubes to Use for Duck Hunting?

This will be my first duck hunt with interchangable choke tubes (used to have a Remmington 870 Express). I have upgraded to a Benelli M1 Super 90, 28″ barrell with several choke tubes. The hunting situation will be as follows: 35 yards maximum distance between the ducks and my gun, and no-lead shot is required.

 

Also is there a recommended size shot (ex. BB, T’s, 2, 4, etc.) with this gun that anyone might know of? I hunt in Southern Michigan FWIW. I would definitely use your modified choke. I assume that you are hunting over decoys and you will get a great shot which will call for a pattern that will not put too many bbs in the meat but will drop the bird. I always use modified and have never had any trouble. It might be a different situation if you have passing shots at a greater length.

 

Just make sure that you wait long enough for the ducks to cup in to your decoy spread. Steel shot patterns much tighter then lead so I like to use improved- cylnder for ducks and modified for geese. I use 1 & 1/4 oz. of 2′s or 1 & 3/8 oz. of 1′s for ducks. T’s only have about 56 pellets per shell which is way too few for ducks IMHO. I don’t even like them for geese because too often you only put 1 or 2 pellets in the bird and it flies off to die somewhere.

Hunting as an elitist tradition

In most of Europe, hunting has an elitist tradition. (No offense to European hunters, but the fact remains that the non-affluent population has virtually no chance of hunting as a frequent pastime, right?) Also in Europe, firearms ownership is generally a privilege extended by the State to the individual at the State’s discretion. I have also noted anecdotally that animal rights activists have enjoyed more success against hunting in Europe than in America.

 

I believe there is a common thread here, and I’ll even go out on a limb and suggest that there is _causality_ here. First, hunting is limited to a select group of people, the upper classes. Next, draconian gun control comes along to limit the access of the lower and middle class to firearms, to some extent under the guise of: “The only legitimate use of firearms is hunting and God knows the unwashed masses can’t do that anyway.” (Is this starting to sound familiar to anyone?)

 

Finally, with the politically insignificant hunter constituency hoisted by its own petard, the AR people come along and start on the death blows. Viola, hunting as a sport is endangered in Europe. Our European friend, Mr. Spencer, has posted to this effect in this forum before, if I’m not mistaken. America’s hunting tradition is egalitarian. The gun and the hunting license are available to all, under the management of the State but seldom at its discretion.

Suitable hunting knives

If this knife is to be for deer and down, I have used a wonderful knife. It is the Schrade/Uncle Henry/Old Timer SHARPFINGER series. It will do all the gutting and skinning you need, and will feel like an extension finger, with a slight cursive blade to give you that necessary small incision capability. It is a full-tanged blade, not a handle jammed onto a file-handle type piece of steel. I love the one I’ve carried, and have given a few of the schrimshaw ones as presents.

 

The total, as I see them in my area now, run about thirty bucks max. Western makes several models of knives which are about as perfect for what you want as a knife can be, and they are cheap! They are made from 440 stainless, are lightweight and have “Kraton” handles. Kraton is like a tough, sticky rubber. Ever notice how a knife will suck the heat out of your fingers if you clean a lot of fish or butcher game for a long time in the cold?

 

The Kraton is a great insulator so it minimizes this. It also is far less likely to slip in your hand when it is wet than any other knife I’ve seen. Remington had Western put their name on some of these models, including the excellent “Remington Bird and Trout” knife. I started using Westerns a few years ago. They hold their edges as well as any knife I’ve seen. I use the Lansky sharpening tool and get mine sharp enough to easily shave with before I leave the house.

 

I carry two when I’m big game hunting — one with a rounded “skinning” blade, which is all I use it for, so it’ll stay sharp, and another with a “drop point” blade which I use for everything else (we bone out our deer for packing down the mountain, the only bones left in being the femurs and, sometimes, the ribs). Our limit is four deer, and I never have to re-sharpen before the last deer is done. I mail-ordered mine from Smokey Mountain Knife Works.

 

A couple were only $13.99. So, glad you asked! I think this is the best deal on outdoor equipment I’ve seen in a long time. Western also makes the best fillet knives I’ve ever seen, again out of SS with Kraton handles. They were only $13 or so, too. All the knives I’ve described come with a nice leaSpeaking as a custom knive maker, knives are like guns, each is designed for a specific purpose but many will serve for many pruposes. In your search for a hunting knife you should stick to the quality names like Schrade, Old Timer, Buck, Kershaw, etc. Then just find a model that fits your hand and has the proper blade for your purpose that is in your price range. Heck, Buck 110 folder can handle most gutting and skinning you will come across in North America. I would recommend though that you look for a fixed blade hunter with a 3 1/2 to 5 inch blade as it will be more useful as a hunting tool and around the camp. there case except the fillet knives which come with plastic.

Lower Mainland Duck Hunting

I’m a resident of this area (Delta) and have hunted here for birds for almost 20 years. I have taken my share of ducks and geese but have since given it up. In Ladner, some of the best shooting is in the fields for which you will need to obtain permission from the farmers. I don’t know if that is difficult these days or not but you will have to try. Lots of greenhouses going up which is limiting areas to go.

 

There is also a private shooting club, for the life of me I can’t recall the name but they have posted their signs on many of the fields on the mainland, may want to look them up. Westham Isl is permit hunting only. The best shooting is rainy and windy days in a spud field or other that provides feed with lots of water. You can usually expect to see birds in the irrigation ditches that normally border these fields, jump shots are lots of fun, the mallards usually hold a bit longer than the rest.

 

My experience was best from about the last 1-2hrs of shooting time for birds coming in to feed. Failing that, Brunswick Beach is pretty good or has been in the past. Follow River Road past Westham Island, (Reifel Bird Sanctuary), until you reach the end of the road. Park and suit up (you need waders). Its ok to carry your gun unloaded along the dyke. You get lots of looks from non hunters but who cares, this was a hunting/fishing community long before the non hunters.

 

I can remember in early 80′s, opening day here was like a firing line. There were vehicles lined up for over 1km down the road, You couldn’t walk into the marsh very far because hunters were everywhere, people used to camp out over night to get a good spot and every bird that went by was shot at. Not anymore, you are lucky to run into another hunter there. This place has provided me many days of excellent shooting, a dog is a must to ensure you recover your birds. Careful of the ditches you cross as they are usually a lot deeper than they appear (trust me). If you walk out to the middle point on the dyke and head out from there you should be able to find a trail that leads out. You really want to go to the middle of the point in front of the large canal (lower tide) waters edge on high tide. Last time I was out there was a couple of permanent blinds still standing that had been there for many years.

Interesting Aspects of Sunday Hunting

Municipalities in Quebec go far into habitat where the hunting is good. Any municipality in Quebec that wants to ban hunting on their territory now have the power to do so. Hunters are slowly losing ground yet are doing nothing to counter any of the laws that are slowly suffocating them. As it is now, some woman’s group in downtown Montreal had enough clout to force the federal government to enact more gun laws.

 

2. Why do the ducks on the Quebec side of the border migrate to the south earlier than those on the Ontario side of the border? Hunting pressure surely. A day when the birds are not bothered seems to make a big difference. Ducks Unlimited spent a quarter of a million dollars on a project about 2 miles from my home. On the Saguenay River at St-Fulgence. It was a place where you could hunt ducks and geese every year.

 

The hunting was good….very good. Snow geese, Canada geese, ducks, etc. Hundreds of ducks nested there every year. Then one day about 25 years ago, they built a road through it. A couple of hunters protested about the fact that a large portion of the territory would not be used for reproduction. Farmers now had access to this land so they filled in a good part. Birdwatchers came. Decided that it should become a sanctuary and hunting was banned on most of it.

 

The bird watchers built a wooden sidewalk that completely surrounds the best part. The ducks must now pass under the sidewalk to get to their nests. They quit doing that after the first year. The area now gets visitors every day. Before, it was frequented by hunters only during the hunting season. There is a rather large mountain next to this nice territory. About 20 years ago, hang gliding came in style. Now, there are hang gliders flying over what nesting ground there is. This is very scary stuff for nesting ducks.

 

Now, Ducks Unlimited spent 250,000 dollars to buy and then flood part of it. They estimated that there would be an average of 20 nesting pairs of ducks. I rarely see ducks there anymore. The flooded territory is just at the foot of the large rock where the hang gliders take off. Now, what little hunting that was left out in the open water on the Saguenay, is no longer allowed because the municipality of about 500 people (St-Fulgence) has banned the use of firearms within it’s boundary which extends for many miles all around.

Conservation Extremism and Barbarity

The sickening sight of mutilated carcasses piled in a field following the helicopter herded slaughter of 600 deer at Glenfeshie Estate in Scotland is representative of current conservation fascist principles where it is no longer enough to plant trees or protect rare species without cruelly butchering wildlife that is competing for the same habitat. This philosophy, driven by political dogma and a desire for a national environmental identity, is only one short step away from the intolerant fanaticism of those who perpetrate ethnic cleansing against human populations.

 

Conservation has now become synonymous with extremism and it is time the public condemned such cruelty by withdrawing support from the uncharitable charities that advocate and encourage such barbarity. So which charities advocate and encourage this killing and which should you consider boycotting? The following paragraph was part of a letter sent some time ago to Ross Finnie, MSP, Minister for the Environment and Rural Development: “We point out to the Minister that populations of deer in Scotland are at record levels and, according to the Deer Commission, red deer numbers are still increasing in most areas.

 

The impact on the natural environment of the current high populations has been a major concern for many years with repeated requests from environmental organisations and others for higher culls and population reductions. A major drop in deer culls in the coming season would result in a further sharp rise in populations.” Conservationists would have us believe that it is necessary to reduce deer numbers to an acceptable population level that doesn’t cause ecological damage.

 

When asked why the population has increased so rapidly, they tell us that deer reproduce prolifically and that there are no large predators, namely the wolf, left to control their numbers. On the face of it, that seems a reasonable explanation but it is more of a plausible excuse for hunters to enjoy their grizzly fun and conservationists to employ them to hunt in almost exactly the same way under the more respectable guise of culling.

 

There is no doubt that wolves were predators of deer, but not for a very long time. The last wolf was killed in the UK around 1750, more than 250 years ago, and their numbers were in serious decline for many decades before that. So it is reasonable to assume that wolves have had little impact on deer for the past 300 – 350 years. With that in mind one could be excused for thinking that deer numbers would have escalated at an enormous rate over that period. But it is only in the last 50-60 years that their numbers have increased significantly, coinciding with a thriving hunting industry and reforestation that provides shelter.

 

So is there a connection? Of course there is! To understand the whole sorry mess, one must examine the structure and covert allegiances between hunters and conservationists that form alliances within “deer management groups” that are overseen by the Deer Commission to maintain an artificially high deer population to satisfy the requirements of hunting estates. But as deer know no boundaries, the population expands to other areas unchecked, where they can damage unprotected saplings, ground flora and ground nesting habitats. This is when the deceit of the conservationists comes to the fore.

 

Having supped with the hunters, they now tell us they need to cull deer to reduce the increase in population that the hunters were responsible for in the first place. The horrid cycle continues year after year. Why don’t the conservationists abandon their hunting cronies and oppose the real reason for the deer population increase? Not a chance – it’s all about money. The government via the Deer Commission wishes to maintain the hunting industry for tourism income and the conservationists depend on government grants via the Forestry Authority to plant their trees etc.

Is Hunting Necessary?

“Is Hunting Necessary” “To many wildlife biologists and resource managers, it is an article of faith that deer populations need to be hunted. That a hunting harvest is sustainable is not the same thing as being necessary. Certainly, the damage to vegetation that results in lowering K and the productivity curve of a given management unit is a good argument in favor of hunting. Indeed, the George Reserve deer population is a classic case.

 

This research area is managed as a natural area for research, and the deer population is harvested only because of the destruction that resulted when it was not controlled. Deer are the only animals (or plants) on the Reserve that are artificially controlled.” “However, it does not follow that all deer populations should be or need to be hunted. First, environments that are stable can sustain equilibrium relationships between residual populations and K.

 

Most wildlife biologists and managers can point to situations where deer populations have not been hunted yet do not fluctuate greatly or cause damage to vegetation. Certainly deer reach overpopulation status in some park situations, but the surprising thing is how many parks containing deer populations have no problem.” “Second, in extremely fluctuating environments, hunting is not necessary because environmental variation regularly results in the population being below K.

Views on hunting and environmental issues

The reason I wanted to post here is to discuss some of *my* views on different types of hunting. I am an occational hunter myself, and I’ve been listening to your discussions concerning hunting for a few weeks now, and my feeling is that the people most adamantly against hunting are a bit removed from the facts of life and death in nature. The way I see it, *all* animals on this planet nourish themselves by killing, whether they hunt other animals, just eat plants or both.

 

People who want all species living together with no killing seem to me to be further from nature and the realities of life than people who look upon hunting and killing as a natural and healthy way to supply your diet. Most people in the Western World, whether hunting or not, consume fantastic amounts of animal meat and meat products. Most animals raised in captivity today will not reach full mature age, as the meat/fur is of better quality on the younger animals.

 

If an animal lives in freedom and get shot down by a hunter, that *must* be better (as seen from the animals point of view) than being born and raised in captivity with nothing to look forward to but being killed in the end. Anyone who has been to a chicken farm or anything of the like would surely agree with me. Hunters have been accused of being brutal, blood-thirsty, insensitive barbarians trying to prove their Machoism[tm] by killing those pretty, fuzzy, cute, furry animals with big, black, sad eyes.

 

This is a somewhat romantic approach. Yes, some animals (and in particular the young ones) ARE irresistably cute (this could account for all the cats people are trying to give away). To give an example: Pups of the grey seal (which lives in abundancy off the coast of Norway) are *irresistably* cute. Their snow white fuzzy fur, somewhat helpless and clumsy movements, and big black sad eyes make them an obvious target for affection. It caused an uproar here in Norway (and also many other nations) when the researcher Odd Lindberg filmed “brutal” Norwegian seal hunters killing these pups with “hakapik”s (a pick-axe). What the film *didn’t* show was fishermens nets filled with seals dead from drowning.

 

They had gone into the nets, maddened with hunger, as there are too many seals and not enough fish. Do you ARers out there really think that this is better? (By the way, Canadian seal-hunters kill their seal pups with baseball bats). How can we let sentimental issues decide which animals we are allowed to kill and eat and which we are not? Why should cute animals be spared and ugly animals not? Why is it so much more OK to kill and eat a cow or a pig than a deer? If *those* are our moral standards, perhaps we should revise them a bit? If looks decides which animals we can eat, how can we expect such a decision to be to the best of Nature? Remember, true beauty is in the eye of the beholder. As for the minke whale.

Hunting programs on national wildlife refuges

New fishing programs include: Guam: Surf fishing at Guam National Wildlife Refuge. Hawaii: Silver perch, moi, and ahole-hole at Kilauea Point National Wildlife Refuge. Louisiana: Speckled trout and redfish at Breton National Wildlife Refuge. Midway Atoll: Surf fishing and lobstering at Midway Atoll National Wildlife Refuge. New York: Largemouth bass, striped bass, and bluefish at Amagansett; fluke at Oyster Bay; striped bass, brook trout, perch and about 35 other species at Seatuck; and bluefish, striped bass, and black fish at Target Rock national wildlife refuges.

 

Rhode Island: Surf fishing at Trustom Pond, Pettaquamscutt Cove and Sachuest Point national wildlife refuges, and fishing for tautog, bluefish, and striped bass at Block Island and Ninigret national wildlife refuges. Washington: Fishing for salmon and crabs and digging for clams at Dungeness and fishing for sea-run cutthroat trout and salmon at Nisqually national wildlife refuges. Refuge system hunting programs typically include such migratory birds as ducks and geese; upland game such as pheasant, quail, rabbit, squirrel, wild turkey, and partridge; and big game such as deer, elk, moose, and bear.

 

Fishing programs include, among others, catfish, bluegill, crappie, striped bass, trout, salmon, and steelhead as well as various species of surf fish. The Service annually reviews fishing and hunting programs on national wildlife refuges to determine whether they should be added, modified, or excluded. Expanding fishing and hunting opportunities on the National Wildlife Refuge System implements the National Wildlife Refuge System Improvement Act signed in 1997 by President Clinton. That law outlines four priority public uses for the refuge system: fishing, hunting, wildlife observation and photography, and environmental education and interpretation.

Hunting Bans in National Park

Properly managed (culled) elephant herds are much healthier than are unmanaged elephant populations. They reproduce more rapidly, and they live in better quality habitats. A vitally important factor associated with the maintenance of excessive (unmanaged) elephant populations is that within the progressively degraded habitat that results, plant and animal species continually become locally extinct, and the rate of extinctions becomes progressively more rapid the longer the problem remains unattended.

 

Advanced examples of this process can be seen in Botswana’s Chobe Game Reserve, where the once-rich acacia/riverine forest complex has been reduced to a phalanx of giant dead trees that extends for mile after mile along the entire alluvial flood plain of the Chobe River. The once myriad plant community of the forest understory now consists of only four invasive woody-plant species.

 

Only when one visits the pocket of acacia/riverine forest in the nearby Popa Falls Rest Camp in Namibia – protected by a high, game-proof fence – does one realize the extent of the plants and insects and bird life that have already disappeared from Chobe. I have been professionally involved with elephant management in many African national parks for more than three decades. For the past 10 years and more, I have taken a very keen interest in how government wildlife agencies in several nations manage their elephant herds.

 

My conclusions are these: National park management policies in Africa are, in most instances, archaic and out of step with present day socio-economic realities in Africa. We have been trying to carry far too many elephants in our national parks to satisfy non-consumptive tourism demand for far too long. This latter fact has resulted in the creation of severely degraded habitats in most national parks that contain elephants.